US and Pakistan can rebuild the China-India ties: Subramanian Swamy

Subramanian Swamy says India and China can break a fresh ground if China revises its relationship with Pakistan on terrorism, in tune with firm assurances from India regarding its ties with America.

Swamy, who has completed his visit to China, told The Hindu that there were two key issues that came up during talks with China. He said India’s uneasiness on terrorism spread from Pakistan had been firmly conveyed during his conversations. The Chinese side, on its part, highlighted its
approach of India’s growing ties with the United States, within the framework of the Indo-Pacific quad grouping. Apart from India and the US, the quad includes Japan and Australia as partners.

Dr. Swamy asserted that he had expressed his personal views during his dialogue with his Chinese interlocutors, and had not relayed India’s official stand.

‘First thing I immersed was that India has a terror issues with Pakistan. And you [China] have a friendly
relationship with Pakistan,’ Dr. Swamy said.

‘I raised this question that it is very hard to explain to the people of India that we [India and China] should have friendly and warm relations when on the face of it they [China] are friendly to a country [Pakistan] that is bleeding us through terror attacks,’ Swamy added.

Dr. Swamy mentioned that India did not have a partner for talks with Pakistan, which, controlled by its seven corps commanders were not willing for a dialogue.

‘After I expressed my point view about terror and its connection with Pakistan, they [the Chinese side] said that the solution lies in talks.
I said please tell me whom I should talk to in Pakistan. The civilians do not matter. The military is excited that the terrorists are bleeding us. I also explained that the army itself really consists of seven corps commanders who control Pakistan.’

Dr. Swamy stressed that the Pakistani army was rapidly switching into a ‘Jihadi army,’ as its future top leadership ‘ brigadiers and above ‘were pledged to an extremist religious ideology. He stressed that in order to restore ties,
India and China should open a high-level dialogue between their Foreign Ministers. These talks should link two issues: China’s response to India’s likely ‘strong defensive strikes’ on Pakistani terror camps in Pakistan occupied Kashmir (PoK), and concrete assurances from India relating the future of its ties with Washington.

Dr. Swamy said, “In my view, the betterment of ties between India and China could trigger only if we have two agendas.
That meeting should be carried out by Foreign Ministers ‘ Sushma Swaraj from our side and Wang Yi from their side,’ not by officials.

‘They should speak about an understanding two sensitive issues.
One from our side on what is the level of engagement of China to Pakistan in case we decide to take more strong action beyond surgical strikes?’

Dr. Swamy said, ‘We have to analyze China’s involvement if India takes defensive actions on a large scale against Pakistan to destroy all the centers of terrorism in parts that really belong to us in PoK. I think this should be analyzed,’ Dr. Swamy said.

When asked whether he had come up with a ‘deal’ between India and China, based on each country shifting its ties with Pakistan and the US , he said: ‘I would not put forward the word ‘deal’. I would say that a good India-China understanding would come it they are collectively beneficial for both parties. I would say that one clear collective benefit is that of an implicit understanding that if we take a strong
defensive action for their [Pakistan’s] terrorist attacks on India, they [China] would not respond aggressively to this objective.’

On India’s part, ‘We should give an implicit understanding that if any dispute arises between the United States and China; we will not become a party. It is a bilateral issue [between China and the US], which they should resolve by dialogue.’

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